Leading Through Stories

Unveiling the Impact of a Story Screening: A Deep Dive into Digital Storytelling

November 27, 2023 Kristy Wolfe Season 3 Episode 5
Leading Through Stories
Unveiling the Impact of a Story Screening: A Deep Dive into Digital Storytelling
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Get ready to be taken on a journey through the fascinating world of digital storytelling. Promising to be a deep-dive into the realm of personal narratives and their potency, we welcome three guests, Cindy McDonald, Christie Oswald, and Kathleen Shearer. Each of them brings to the table their unique experiences, highlighting the meaningful moments that sparked their digital stories which were recently shared a screening event in Edmonton.

As we progress, we step into the excitement of sharing personal stories. Our guests share their roller coaster of emotions, from the exhilaration to the nervous anticipation, and the deep sense of fulfillment that engulfs a storyteller when their digital story resonates with the audience. You'll hear about the integral role of family and friends in bolstering the narrator's confidence, the bond of trust with the host, and the heartwarming effects of sharing stories with a larger audience.

Diving into the profound impact of digital storytelling, we dissect our own experiences and the conversations that ensue from these digital narratives. Unveiling the potential of digital storytelling as a powerful tool for advocacy and initiating dialogue, we underscore its effectiveness in bridging gaps and sharing meaningful experiences. Together, we unravel the immense power vested in digital storytelling and the deep connections it can forge. This episode serves as a testament to the transformative potential of sharing unique stories, encouraging everyone to embrace their experiences and paint them onto a digital canvas.


Digital Story Links
Think Like a Parent
Christie Oswald created her digital story as part of her Masters of Social Work capstone project at the University of Alberta in the spring of 2023. 

A New Path Forward
Kathleen Shearer created her story, A New Path Forward, during a workshop for medical parents. 


The Soul System
Cindy McDonald shares her story of healing after being diagnosed with postpartum depression and surviving a suicide attempt. 

About Leading Through Stories
Everyone has a story to tell—and what we do with that story can create lasting impact. Every episode, Leading Through Stories, helps unravel the how and why of digital storytelling with host Kristy Wolfe.

Life is made up of meaningful moments—which ones do you want to share?

This podcast is presented by Common Language DST, digital storytelling facilitation training for health and wellness changemakers.


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Kathleen Shearer:

But I definitely built confidence going through this process in me and believing in myself and that the story that I have to share is important to share, and that you saw that and because you're read in the show, then I just trusted you and that this was part of the process.

Kristy Wolfe:

Welcome to Leading Through Stories, a podcast that explores the how and why of digital storytelling. My name is Kristy Wolfe, and each episode I connect with storytellers or common language digital storytelling facilitators, to learn more about the health and wellness stories they are creating and sharing. Life is made up of meaningful moments. Which ones do you want to share With me? Today are three people. This is the first time we're trying it with so many people on Leading Through Stories and each of these ladies was involved with a story screening that happened recently in Edmonton. Cindy McDonald is with me, Christie Oswald is with me and Kathleen Shearer is with me. Hello ladies, hey Kristy, hello Kristy. So each of us have our back stories about how we connected, and I don't think we're going to go into that too much right now. I think I'm just going to ask you each to introduce yourself. And then, why did you decide to create a digital story?

Christie Oswald:

So I'm Christie Oswald. Kristy and I met well, I think probably eight, nine years ago, when I was the volunteer coordinator for a peer support program at the Stollery Children's Hospital. I'm also a mom of a young man he's now 17 with kind of a whole host of medical and neuro kind of issues, and I've also just recently completed my master's in social work, and so looking at my digital story is kind of a combination of all those pieces.

Kathleen Shearer:

So my name is Kathleen and I am a mom to four kids. My husband introduced Kristy and I for the first time when he was selling them a house on Candy Cane Lane. Kristy roped me into doing this. She didn't have to twist my arm too hard. Basically, she asked and I thought that sounds like a lot. But I'm getting to try something new. So I have a son who has XYY. He has an extra chromosome, he is an intellectual, global developmental delay. So on April 22, I did a digital story about me and my journey with my son and how his path was just a little different than what we were expecting, but still good.

Cindy McDonald:

I am in the public relations industry and in communications. I met Kristy through that industry and I was an impact speaker sharing a story of mine through mental health, which is how we ended up meeting. I was in the process of sharing it as an impact speaker and I thought it would be a nice addition to my presentation to add a digital story component to it or turn it into a digital story, and I would have the option of either sharing it as a digital story or in a speaking engagement.

Kristy Wolfe:

And I think it's interesting because each of you came to digital storytelling in a very different way. Cindy's actually the first storyteller out of this group that I worked with and Cindy found me. Kristy has known what I've been doing for a long time and kind of followed along and the story came together later. And then Kathleen I was looking for medical parents, specifically when I was doing my level two training, so we brought together medical parents who were interested in doing a digital story so I could kind of learn the process of doing a workshop. So that's when Kathleen got involved. Each of your stories I will, if you're comfortable, include a link to them in our show notes for this podcast so people can watch them. But would you each tell us about what the meaningful moment is that your story was kind of created around?

Kathleen Shearer:

So when we were doing the training with Kristy and with Mike, they talked about a story and that there's a I believe you called it the climax and that that was sort of what we were gearing our story towards. And so it hadn't maybe necessarily occurred to me in my journey with Andrew that this was the point. But as I sat there reflecting, basically our family had gone to Jasper for a ski race weekend, and it was at a point when I was at all time low just in terms of my own mental health and mostly around lack of sleep. The anxiety in our house was just ramped up high, and my husband was going to go with the girls. And then last minute we decided that it would be best for our family all six of us to go, and so we crammed ourselves into this tiny, ridiculous hotel room. Nobody slept and it was terrible.

Kathleen Shearer:

And so there was the second night we were there.

Kathleen Shearer:

I said I'm going to take Andrew out of here, we're just going to go for a walk, you four can do whatever you need to do, and we have an hour before dinner, so just do your thing. And Andrew and I had nowhere to go, and so I really, truly just was like, okay, buddy, you pick, which direction are we going? And kept following him as he made his way along the path. It dawned on me that that actually was all I really needed to do with him and that if I could just follow him and follow his lead and meet him where he's at, that, actually everything would be okay, which is what all of the people, all the therapists in our life had been telling us. I don't know why it just clicked right there in that moment. So when I did my digital story, I actually was in Jasper for another ski race and was able to go back and take pictures of that space where I was when that moment happened, which was kind of full of full circle for me.

Kristy Wolfe:

Well, and I think it's interesting you bring up a good point about. We all think of our lives and there's so many different pieces to it, but to tell a digital story and to tell it well, as each of you have done, you've narrowed in on a moment that you wanted to focus on and then told different details around it, but it's built around that walk with Andrew. That's incredible. Thanks, kathleen. Cindy, do you want to tell us the meaningful moment in yours?

Cindy McDonald:

I had been sharing as an impact speaker. I had been sharing a presentation. My presentation I'd done basically the same sort of presentation over and over again and it was about a 10 minute speech and I was doing it to help for fundraising and raising awareness for postpartum depression and suicide awareness, that kind of thing. My digital story was about my experience as an attempted suicide survivor sort of how the experience changed me and changed my life and what I did to get through it and then how I was able to move forward from it. That's perfect.

Kristy Wolfe:

Okay, tell us about your digital story. What was it built around? What was your meaningful moment?

Christie Oswald:

So I did my digital story as the capstone to my master of social work and we were kind of kind of had a lot of freedom to do whatever we wanted For me. What brought me to do my master of social work was my experience as a mom to a kid, with a whole bunch of kind of medical and learning stuff going on, and I really, when I applied to do my masters and then all through my three years of my masters, the question that was always kind of bopping in my head was how do I bring my lived experience in to my role as a social worker? And so when I was doing my practicum, I was feeling really uncomfortable. One day when I had to do a really depth financial assessment of a family and I had kind of expressed to someone that I felt uncomfortable doing it and I was told you need to stop thinking like a parent, because you can't do your job as a social worker if you're always just thinking like a parent and so thinking about what it might feel like for them is you thinking like a parent?

Christie Oswald:

And for me that sat very, very uncomfortably and I remember yeah, I remember when that moment happened because I thought I actually started kind of chuckling inside and I had to like not show it on my face because I thought, no, actually I think what I've just proven to myself is I do actually need to think like a parent, because how would that feel for me as a parent kind of knowing this family and all they had gone through and then to have this person sit down with them and say, now tell me all your big, dark financial secrets.

Christie Oswald:

That would be really uncomfortable for me. And so I think that, as a social worker, I need to remember that so that in the future, when I'm doing this kind of work and having to ask these questions that can be very, very, very invasive and difficult, I need to always remember what that would be like for a parent or anybody that I'm working with. And so for me, when that person said to me, stop thinking like a parent, that was really that moment where I said, yeah, I really want to capture that in my capstone because that really says it all to me right there.

Kristy Wolfe:

You have all only met that one time that I brought you together for the screening. None of you had maybe met in passing, but this is only the second time we're getting together and talking. What was it like screening your story in front of different people? Some of you brought family, some brought friends, but there was also additional people there, some related to the Stollery Children's Hospital, other people that had just turned about digital storytelling.

Christie Oswald:

I wasn't that nervous leading up to it, but when I got there and I was third to go, so I was in a great position because I got to watch Cindy and Kathleen have theirs presented first. But the more that I sat there I actually got more and more excited to actually share my story. I think partly for me because it was my capstone for my masters, my family and friends had not seen it and the people that I love most and really wanted there came, and so on one hand I was really excited to share it. I really was just excited to share it with those that I love because they hadn't seen that part of it. But also I didn't feel that anxious to share it with other people. I guess maybe because I worked for the Stollery and so there were some other people there. I guess maybe a little bit, but I actually just realized really excited that's the best way I can keep putting it to share my story with everyone.

Cindy McDonald:

Just also excitement in sharing my story as well, having family and close friends there to hear the story and experience it with me. I just felt a lot of pride and I felt you know, I felt valued and I love the feedback and the energy in the room. It was supportive and loving and it just felt like a really great place to be.

Kristy Wolfe:

Well, it's. Indeed, your son was there and he, that was incredible. Can you tell us I mean, he got up and spoke at the end and just like give you a big shout out, and I can't say that on this podcast what he said, but it was awesome it was.

Cindy McDonald:

Yeah, I was. I had two of my sons there. My daughter wasn't there, but I had two of my sons there and my youngest son. Yeah, I was Very surprised, but I mean touch obviously with what he, what he did when he came up and he, you know, spoke a little bit afterwards and said what a great mom I was and I mean that was awesome. It was unexpected and just kind of a very sweet, genuine thing for him to do. So I absolutely loved it. Right, he's just, he's one of a kind that kid for sure.

Kristy Wolfe:

And Cindy, had you shared your story prior to that?

Cindy McDonald:

I had shared my story. The kids have heard my story, they've seen the digital video. They have heard my story and I have Shared the story, just like I said in presentations. I've shared it publicly and other and other venues and stuff like that. So this was just the first time my kids had ever been there in that experience, with me sharing it, and I actually feel like my older son Realize a little bit more about the impact of the story and I think he saw himself in those pictures and remembered those moments and you know, it was kind of just a bit more touching for him and a little bit more personal For him to actually be there in that moment sharing that story. I think he felt a little closer to me because he actually gave me a kiss on the head.

Kristy Wolfe:

The older sense to that's like one of those things that doesn't happen anymore. Kathleen, did you want to talk about that?

Kathleen Shearer:

Well, I mean, I would just piggyback on what Christie and Cindy said in terms of like I was genuinely excited and I don't know. Like I'm an adult now, I don't get excited about a whole lot of things in the same way that kids do.

Kathleen Shearer:

Except this podcast. I was excited about the podcast, but I was also like I found myself really very much looking forward to obviously seeing you, but having this opportunity to share this moment in the process, the outcome of that process, with a wider audience. I wasn't like Christie, I wasn't nervous about other people being there. Most of the people that were there to see my story had already seen it before, and so when I thought about new people being there, I don't know. I guess I just have a lot of trust in you and because of my trust in you, I trusted the people that you would be having there as others. Yeah, truly. But I definitely built confidence going through this process in me and believing in myself and that the story that I have to share is important to share, and that you saw that and because you're read in the show, then I just trusted you and that this was part of the process.

Kristy Wolfe:

It's interesting because I do like when I have a screening, I do open it up for the public. But I find that the people that come already know or they're connected to somebody that already knows. So I don't feel like we get a strange group of people that come to a screening. It's usually like people who have come before or have listened to the podcast or have told a story and so then you're kind of building it with this network of people that know what it is. I find that when people just put their story out on social media, they're done and they get excited and they put it on social media. That's when they get weird reactions to things. So I think an in-person screening or a virtual screening is like a really positive way to kick it off. But even just sharing with your family, as a group or with a small group of friends is things people can do to share their story. That doesn't have to be just like flung out into the world and that can be overwhelming. Thank you for each of you talking about that.

Kristy Wolfe:

Just another question kind of on that how did it feel to have people talk about your story after? Because when we screen a story we will tell people that after they're going to have a chance to turn and talk and then we will also give some feedback to the storytellers. So after each story we make space for that conversation. What was that like as you were listening to conversations or as they were giving that like kind of back to the entire audience?

Kathleen Shearer:

I liked how one of the things that you have us do is like what was meaningful to you in it and I love the different examples in everybody's stories that like I have my idea of what was meaningful in my video but actually other people picked out other things and like my dad talked about my daughters and that was so lovely of him to share that piece and that that what resonates with you. That's your question you always ask, and so I found that part to be that actually made me feel more awkward, because people are saying nice things and I guess we're not very good we're kind of shitty at accepting compliments, Yep, or I am anyways and so that that made me feel like I'm really on the spot and made me feel emotional going through that. But also it was so people had such lovely things to say about everybody's story Cindy that one woman who stood up and talked about her mom I mean that was so moving.

Kristy Wolfe:

Yeah, the connections that happened because of what somebody else says and the people you meet that don't have the same experience as you but who have similarities or commonalities that cross over, I think is it's really incredible. I find when we do an in-person screening like that, I'm always like, oh, what did that person say? Whereas if you do a virtual screening and people put it in the comments, I can send it to the storytellers after because you're right, when people are saying kind things about you and the work you've done, it's hard to like. You get caught in the emotion of how you're feeling about it and you sometimes miss the information that they're sharing with you. So I don't record screenings purposefully because of the conversations that come out of it, but I also feel like sometimes we miss some of the things that are said because of that. I think it was incredible. Anybody else want to touch on that, or are we okay on that one?

Christie Oswald:

Like Kathleen, I like the question that you kind of led with. I think it's really nice to be able to talk about what struck different people, because things hit people in different ways. I like the idea of being able to somewhat explain a little bit extra, have more opportunity to explain pieces of it, and I think when those questions come out sometimes people you can help them understand why that part was important to you, a bit more than you can with just your short digital stories. So I liked that.

Kristy Wolfe:

I appreciate the feedback and always that's what I'm looking for, because I want this process to be that much easier. Each time it's not a requirement of digital storytelling. You never have to show another person. It can be completely process focused, just doing this story for yourself. But for people who do want to share it, I want them to be set up for success. Okay, so last question I'm going to ask you is if you were going to create a new digital story, what would it be about? Or is there somewhere else that you want to go with digital storytelling in a way that you're going to share your story or something else you want to do there?

Cindy McDonald:

You know what I've thought about this and I can't really think of I can't really think of any other type of story that I would want to share right now. This other one has just been such a big part of my life that it is the only one that made sense for me at this moment. Everybody has stories, so I'm sure there's probably something that would pop into my mind after this experience.

Kristy Wolfe:

Well, and I would then ask you how do you see yourself still using it? Because you do speak about this still, and mental health has been a piece that you're advocating for. So is there something like if we could help you do more with your story, what would that be?

Cindy McDonald:

Hmm, yes, I think having the story is amazing because it's so short and it's an easy say introduction or something like that into maybe a bigger session or something that I might like to share on my story. One of the things I find when I'm sharing the story and it is in kind of in relation to your in-person story evening and stuff is that the conversations that happen afterwards, the conversations that the people want to have afterwards about their experiences or what they thought of the content, or questions personally about how I got through everything, Well, and I would say, if you are using it in let's say you have like an hour long time you get to speak or thinking about introducing yourself, showing the digital story and then literally blocking time for conversation.

Kristy Wolfe:

I find it doesn't necessarily have to be with you, but asking people to turn to the people around them and just take five minutes out of your presentation time to have people have those conversations gives everybody that opportunity to talk about it as they're thinking about it, and then you can move on. So I push for that every time. It doesn't work out in every kind of setting, but I think that the conversation is the most important part that comes out of those screenings. That's what I would offer for you.

Cindy McDonald:

I could, yes, definitely use the digital story to have a conversation around that and incorporate it into a much broader presentation. It can be used in so many ways All right, christy.

Kristy Wolfe:

what about you? Either another story that you have in your mind that maybe one day you'll tell? I have an entire folder of like stories that are in different variations of being told. Sometimes it's just like the theme that I'd like to tell a story about. Sometimes it's fully written. Do you have anything in that direction?

Christie Oswald:

So yeah, when I read this question as something that we might talk about here today, I mean there was honestly many things working in the emergency room that popped up for me that I was like, ooh, we need to explore this further.

Christie Oswald:

But you know, what I'm really struggling with right now is I am a mom to two 17-year-olds and a 12-year-old all teens and tweens and I'm feeling very lonely, if you will, right now because my kids are busy doing what they're supposed to do at this age, which is moving away from their parents and moving towards their friends and becoming their own people, which is all amazing stuff, and I was never prepared for how lonely I would feel, and this has been something I think it's been also hard for me coming off my master's, where every moment of every day for three years was like got to be sitting in front of the computer, got to be working, and then, when that stopped, I expected that the world would open up and my kids would be beside me. We'd be hanging on the couch and they're just like, yeah, not interested mom, and so I think it's this for me, this kind of next phase of my life moving into where the kids are just kind of doing what they're supposed to do as teenagers and teenagers, and how that's really impacted me.

Kristy Wolfe:

I love that you brought that up, because I think we all need to remember that. It's first person narrative, right? It's your story, it's not your son's story, it's not your daughter's story. It's your story. And even though often we bring those people into our stories, we're not telling it for them, but they are a part of our stories and so like thinking about that and now you've got a new story to tell with your kids. I love that idea. The story that I keep getting stuck on right now is Perry Metapause, and I just want to talk about that all the time and find storytellers. So throw that out into the world, kathleen, what about you?

Kathleen Shearer:

So I don't have a thought about another story that I would do right now, and I think part of that is like Andrew's still young and my kids are still.

Kathleen Shearer:

I mean, because we have so many of them, we're kind of straddling the very different ends of the spectrum, where two of them went to a party last night and two of them stayed home. But I can appreciate where Christie's coming from on that one, because I can see it coming and so, to fill that hole, this thought has been running around in my head for a long time, like years. Basically, I finished my masters and then was like when am I going to go back to school? So the time is now and I'm going to go back and do my PhD and I, like Kristy and the work that Kristy's doing has just been running around on the back of my head. So I'm not sure entirely where this is going, but with my background in nursing and my platforms I like to get up on are around knowledge, translation and patient engagement and figuring out how to pull the digital stories into this and pull in scoliosis, which is the world I work in I'm going to try and tie all of these things together with a bow.

Kristy Wolfe:

I am super excited. Kathleen called me about this earlier this week to just kind of tell me. And I would suggest, Kathleen, that you listen to the Kids Brain Health Network conference. We did a podcast there and actually talked about it. So that's a world where that family engagement, digital storytelling, those pieces are all starting to come together and I can see it happening in certain areas.

Kristy Wolfe:

I'm sure we'll have more conversations about that, but I was really excited Also, I think, because I have a scoliosis kid. So Kathleen mentioned that we know each other because of her husband, but we also know each other because I would see her in clinic when we needed to go every six months for our appointments and our x-rays and so getting to know Kathleen that way. I've done some stories in the congenital heart world, but I haven't done any related to scoliosis and I think each of these areas there's space to tell some of those stories, because we all know healthcare is still very siloed and if you're not within one area, you're not might not hear about it. So I think that bringing those things together is incredible. I'm excited for you.

Kathleen Shearer:

And I just wanted to say that, like no question, the process of going through this built confidence and made me feel like I had a platform to stand on in a way that I didn't before. It was sitting and listening to you and Mike talk about all of the things that sort of ignited that light again. That had kind of it wasn't that it dimmed, it just was necessarily quieter or less bright and as I was coming into a space where, personally, I was feeling more alive because I was not so shy on sleep anymore, you presented me with this opportunity and I'm honestly forever grateful that you asked me, because I would not be, I would not be where I am right now and would not have felt like I had the I don't know legs to stand on, to get up and share the way I have. So thank you.

Kristy Wolfe:

You are very welcome and I have to say Kristina, who was also in that level two training, that I did that you were in the workshop. Kristina also ended up doing much more with digital storytelling, so it is always interesting to see like for some people this will never land and I get that it doesn't need to be what you do. I am definitely really excited. I'm taking my level three training, so level three training means that I am training level one facilitators. So we're in our sessions right this week and I am working with two people so that they can do facilitation with one on one, and so it's really interesting to see kind of like the progression as it goes. So super excited about that.

Christie Oswald:

Can I just say something? Yeah, kathleen, you know it's really interesting that you are really inspired by this. When I worked with Patient and Family Center Care, we were always bringing families in to share their story, whether it was in person or we were using kind of towards the end of my time there using digital stories as well. We were coming from this patient and family center care lens, and so it was really impactful. We hear about patient and family center care, we know what it's supposed to be, but then to hear families be like this is what it looked like for us.

Christie Oswald:

This is what it felt like for us, like I think all the time about for us, when we were once in the emergency room, way back when Jesse was little, and we had one nurse who told us you guys are going to be here for a long time, but we're admitting you, and she like tucked me into bed with Jesse, got us a warm blanket and like closed the door, turned the lights up and put a little sign that said shmum and baby, you're sleeping and now working in the emergency room.

Christie Oswald:

I think back to that all the time and how that time. I mean, it takes me nothing to get a warm blanket for families. But I do it all the time because I remember that even just from my own story, that that was so impactful that I think hearing, especially from a family lens share what their experience was like, really just puts a lot of color to the facts. The facts are we should be paid to be family-centered, but to hear if a family say this is what it looked like and what it felt like to me, it just colors that fact and makes it more tangible, I think, for people.

Kristy Wolfe:

Christie, that's literally your digital story. It's talking about the warm blanket, and you mentioned being like a staff member. Sometimes it doesn't feel appropriate to tell those stories, but I think that's exactly some of the people that we need to hear from as well, and Mike has done lots of stories with AHS. That's like where a lot of his work came from. Kathleen, what were you going to say?

Kathleen Shearer:

Well, I was just going to say that the reason that you do that is because you think like a mom yeah, but it's our story that makes me feel that way.

Christie Oswald:

Right, absolutely.

Kathleen Shearer:

But I can share my own emerge story that when they do these things, it's so much better, and this is why, right, for me, it's all about the experience. Right, that's the lens I see everything through, and so that's for sure my default, but it should be a good experience.

Kristy Wolfe:

And even if you thought about bringing people together and just asking the question, what's been the best thing that's ever happened to you in the emergency room, like a simple question. It doesn't need to turn into a digital story, but just gathering some of those little things to share, right? All right, ladies? Well, I just want to say thank you to each of you for doing a digital story, for also screening the digital story and trying that out with me and Edmonton that was the first time we've done that and then also saying yes again when I said let's do a podcast about what that was like. So I appreciate each one of you. Thank you so much. Since I have Kathleen, kristi and Cindy talking about what they've done with their digital stories and what they're planning, I thought I would ask our founder, mike Lang, to talk a little bit about the digital storytelling facilitation model that we teach in Common Language.

Mike Lang:

In Common Language, we always talk about form, not formula, and this grew out of my own experiences of working with some very diverse groups in unique settings where the classical style of digital storytelling didn't seem flexible enough to meet my needs. So I came up with a methodology that was fluid enough to work in any setting but also provided a form that could be followed to ensure that the best practices of digital storytelling were still being used. So it's based around four phases finding, telling, crafting and sharing and this is sort of the foundational form of digital storytelling that we teach at Common Language, and if anyone's interested to learn more, you can check out the methodology paper that I wrote, which is available for download on the main page of the website. So yeah, I check it out.

Kristy Wolfe:

Everyone has a story to tell. We would love to hear from you. We always include a link to the stories we're talking about in the episode show notes. Please let us know what resonated for you in today's episode. Your comments will be passed on to the storyteller. You can email us LTSPodcast2023@gmail. com , or find us on Instagram at @leading through stories. Leading Through Stories is sponsored by Common Language. Digital Storytelling Facilitate a training for health and wellness changemakers. Don't miss the next episode. Subscribe to Leading Through Stories on your favorite podcast platform.

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